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Apr 26, 2012 1:49:14 GMT
Post by ProkAdama on Apr 26, 2012 1:49:14 GMT
I feel as if it wasn't. We did have strategy.
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Apr 26, 2012 2:09:08 GMT
Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 26, 2012 2:09:08 GMT
But how much did it effect things? That's the question. I can say "Target the heavy tanks first" and then send 50 million troops against your 50 million troops and targeting the heavy tanks doesn't mean much. It just turns into who has more heavy tanks.
For example, when my tank hunters were used, I used them strategically, playing to their strengths and the surroundings. But because there were so many units on the field, the tactics were basically useless.
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Apr 26, 2012 2:35:34 GMT
Post by IcyNudibranch on Apr 26, 2012 2:35:34 GMT
Also, in response to the time thing, because each week equals 5 years, each real-world day is technically about 260 in-game days.
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Apr 26, 2012 2:48:16 GMT
Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 26, 2012 2:48:16 GMT
Wait what was the time thing?
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Apr 26, 2012 3:20:27 GMT
Post by IcyNudibranch on Apr 26, 2012 3:20:27 GMT
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Apr 26, 2012 4:27:31 GMT
Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 26, 2012 4:27:31 GMT
Oh ok. Didn't realize that was a thing.
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Apr 28, 2012 7:10:53 GMT
Post by IcyNudibranch on Apr 28, 2012 7:10:53 GMT
Hm. Now I kinda regret even starting this thread. This sort of spiraled out of control, in my honest opinion. Just wanted to change one thing and ended up unveiling all the ugliness of the system.
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Apr 28, 2012 7:27:13 GMT
Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 28, 2012 7:27:13 GMT
Do explain?
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Apr 28, 2012 11:13:34 GMT
Post by ProkAdama on Apr 28, 2012 11:13:34 GMT
Mal, remember the FSW thing? You took that out of hand too, Emb even said so on IRC. You believed FSW>ALL, which isn't true. And you made them OP, now Vietnam's and Emb's entire airforce is FSW (keep in mind, it's only 1965, FSWs can't exist)
Anyway, now that that's over. You took the prices completely out of hand, and did something that would only benefit you.
I'm also thinking if you did this simply because you wanted to save dear France, seeing as there was no other way to get it back. And, you were always a minor player with only, how many countries? 4 at the most? I had around 14 or 15, so did Icy, you see now why we might not enjoy this, it'll take months to get it all back. And by remembering our strategies in the beginning, you'll use that to make sure we don't expand in this direction. Or that one. And make sure not to repeat mistakes and go for France first, and expand deeper into Eastern Europe, I don't know.
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 28, 2012 11:34:27 GMT
Nice try Prok, but i was a small nation because i wasnt concerned w playing. If it would make you shut the fuck up and deal with the changes instead of trying to make them personal, i'll remove Britannia from the game. In case you've forgotten, i did say you were a perfect display of what i felt was broken in the game, so of course changes to it will hurt you the worst. Stop fucking complaining about everything because i'm fucking sick of it. You built a broken empire twice, do it the fuck again and shut your damn mouth. If i read one more post from you that can be taken in any way as a complaint, you're fucking gone. I've have it.
If some one other than Prok can clearly explain how the changes are detrimental to the game, please do so. But just whining about things will only serve to piss me off.
Now if you'll excuse me, i'm going back to sleep.
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 28, 2012 11:36:57 GMT
And i had gone back to reevaluate the fsw problem w the staff, i will post the findings we had sometime tomorrow.
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Apr 28, 2012 11:37:28 GMT
Post by ProkAdama on Apr 28, 2012 11:37:28 GMT
I'm not going to be around to complain anyway, why discuss it?
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Apr 28, 2012 14:54:45 GMT
Post by IcyNudibranch on Apr 28, 2012 14:54:45 GMT
What I am a little annoyed about, Malachi, is that I started this thread trying to fix one thing: I thought the ship prices were too low. However, I thought everything else about the game was fine. I think I even mentioned when we made the price changes "let's take this one step at a time," or something to that effect. Now I've lost everything I had, even though I was playing by the rules.
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Apr 28, 2012 18:41:09 GMT
Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 28, 2012 18:41:09 GMT
You did say that, but the problem with that idea is during that discussion other concerns that were related popped up. And taking them one step at a time would require constant changes that would constantly effect things. At least from this point I can just modify the world economy, I couldn't quite do that before in order to level the game.
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Apr 28, 2012 20:05:44 GMT
Post by IcyNudibranch on Apr 28, 2012 20:05:44 GMT
I'm sorry, but I'm just going to close up the Grand Federation. I joined this to have direction to make PMG stuff, but I don't think that's really necessary anymore. Close up my board. Europe is yours. I might still make some things as the Grand Federation, but they won't be for Grand Conquest. However, if it's possible, I'd like to stay on as a battle mod. I'd like to see how the game plays out, and, though I'm not an active player, I'd still like to help out in anyway I can.
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Apr 28, 2012 21:03:00 GMT
Post by sgtsammac on Apr 28, 2012 21:03:00 GMT
Yea go ahead, if you want i will keep the GF if you ever want to return? or do you want it deleted.
And mal is fine with you remaining a battlemod.
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Apr 28, 2012 22:26:44 GMT
Post by IcyNudibranch on Apr 28, 2012 22:26:44 GMT
Yeah, actually keep my board. I'll post anything I make there, and I might still RP as Poland. Just don't invade me.
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 28, 2012 23:06:58 GMT
Poland will have full protection rights as a staff country and may not be attacked, or attack, outide of the RP board. Now that ive come up w that idea, Britannia will do the same. I came here to make a better game, not to play it lol.
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Apr 29, 2012 18:34:26 GMT
Post by IcyNudibranch on Apr 29, 2012 18:34:26 GMT
I've actually completely changed my mind on this. I re-looked over the rules, and realized they do improve the game. I acted a bit too rashly in saying I wasn't going to play. I apologize, and I'm going to play again.
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Apr 29, 2012 18:38:31 GMT
Post by sgtsammac on Apr 29, 2012 18:38:31 GMT
Welcome back.
*offers Brofist*
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Apr 29, 2012 18:41:10 GMT
Post by ProkAdama on Apr 29, 2012 18:41:10 GMT
Welcome back.
Maybe deleting Helsinki was a bad idea.
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Apr 29, 2012 19:10:29 GMT
Post by IcyNudibranch on Apr 29, 2012 19:10:29 GMT
Nah, it's good. It was a military alliance, and I've lost my major enemy. We can still be allies, Prokhor, and I'll probably buy some stuff from you.
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Apr 29, 2012 19:15:40 GMT
Post by number4 on Apr 29, 2012 19:15:40 GMT
Prok, my airforce is all Delta-wing now... :S
Also FSWs existed in the 40s, of course they can exist in the 50s and 60s.
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Apr 29, 2012 20:26:46 GMT
Post by ProkAdama on Apr 29, 2012 20:26:46 GMT
No dude, FIGHTER FSW cannot exist. Ofc bombers could, but not fighters. The reasons are obvious.
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Apr 29, 2012 20:35:09 GMT
Post by number4 on Apr 29, 2012 20:35:09 GMT
Because you have to sacrifice a little armour for some extra wing support?
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Apr 29, 2012 20:38:03 GMT
Post by ProkAdama on Apr 29, 2012 20:38:03 GMT
Apparently I'm *ing, so can we take this either to PMs or IRC? I don't want to get banned or anything again.
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Apr 29, 2012 20:40:09 GMT
Post by number4 on Apr 29, 2012 20:40:09 GMT
dude, you're not complaining, this is a civilized debate IMO, but whatever floats your boat.
EDIT: Resolved. FSW fighters are possible but require some precise balancing between armour and frame, and at a subsonic speed given the time zone.
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 29, 2012 23:30:49 GMT
Oh shit, i forgot to post about that, hang on
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Apr 29, 2012 23:35:34 GMT
Post by ProkAdama on Apr 29, 2012 23:35:34 GMT
So, I hope this means that a Su-27 can engage one of Vietnam's FSW jets equally? Not without double loss?
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Apr 29, 2012 23:41:02 GMT
Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 29, 2012 23:41:02 GMT
Well, after further research on my part, Stealth is now a late 70's tech, forward swept wings are an early 70's tech, and Fly By Wire controls (not an auction tech, it's just needed for FSWs) is an early 70's tech. I feel kinda bad for prokhor now because I took 4's word for all this instead of looking it up myself. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward-swept_wingen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly-by-wireen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_aircraftAs for a jet that acts as a carrier, that's a super project anyway. If he still wants to go for it, that's fine, but it's going to be very very expensive. It's way harder to build than a balloon or submarine. And it'd have way higher upkeep costs because of fuel to say the least. Also when stealth is available, I vote it tack on an extra cost to what ever is being stealthed, since the wiki page specifically states that it's far more expensive to stealth a plane than to not. Also the introduction of Thrust Vectoring will be early 70's but it'll be still be out done in combat by FSW until the 80's. (As shown by the Harrier Jump Jet (VTOL) and the Su-27 (VT Maneuvering)) So in the 80's FSW and VTM will be on equal grounds completely. By the 90's I think VTM will take the lead. And finally, Air to Air missiles should already be in production since the Sidewinder was first produced in '56. >.>
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