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Post by shark on Apr 17, 2012 16:30:41 GMT
With something like VX, you've got a few deployment options... tried and true is just opening up a bunch of barrels and letting it drift. Obvious disadvantages are movement, and the lack of precision. Option 2 is artillery delivered, which we've discussed. Also remember that you realistically can't load that much gas into a shell, so you'll have to rely on saturation fire. That'll give your enemy more time to react. Option 3 is bomb delivered, which apparently causes significant burn-off and leaves you with less ordinance. Option 4 is aerodynamically delivered, which I don't really understand. Apparently you use the pre calculated forces acting on your bombers to deliver a maximum amount of toxin to a more precise area.
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Post by AgentFawkes on Apr 17, 2012 16:31:29 GMT
Ulcers are deadly stuff, prokhor. Letting a boatload of stomach acid loose in a fleshy area is cause for alarm.
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Post by shark on Apr 17, 2012 16:33:43 GMT
Lol what's wrong with the original name? ha ha I kid. are you looking for something latin or an easier to use codename?
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2012 16:33:47 GMT
Wouldn't aerodynamically delivered basically be like crop dusting? But with an aerosol version of VX instead of normal pesticides? Or a liquid version I suppose, it just wouldn't spread as much...
I could totally see a squadron of low flying bombers just dumping out tons of gallons of this stuff as it flew by, like a forest fire fighting plane.
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Post by shark on Apr 17, 2012 16:35:16 GMT
that's what I figured, Mal, but according to good ol' Wikipedia they've been doing it with supersonic aircraft.
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 17, 2012 16:36:22 GMT
Yes, last minute defences?
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2012 16:36:49 GMT
well, I guess if you time it just right there's no reason you couldn't do it with supersonic aircraft o.0 Though does it say they drop it at super sonic speeds? Or do the come in SS, slow down and drop, then speed away at SS again to make sure they're not caught or something?
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Post by shark on Apr 17, 2012 16:38:38 GMT
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Post by AgentFawkes on Apr 17, 2012 16:41:12 GMT
I was looking for a codename, but i can probably come up with something myself. I'll include the original name when i make a dossier about it.
Basically, I'll just use some psuedoscience to "cultivate and encourage" the bacterium into human development, and aggravate it a bit.
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2012 16:44:08 GMT
Oh, it's not "normally" done at SS, just that it can be. And yea, it's exactly like crop dusting. The faster you're flying, the more the "stream" is going to break apart into mist (among other factors). But crop dusting is usually done at a low speed using spray nozzles I think o.0 because you want a fine mist with pesticide, whereas with this I would think you'd want thick cover on things.
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Post by shark on Apr 17, 2012 16:47:45 GMT
as it stands, M. ulcerans is mostly spread through drinking water, so I'd want to fiddle with that to weaponize it properly. Also, on the topic of how much it sucks, the bacteria's toxins suppress the immune system so there isn't any inflammation or fever. I think this property makes it one of the more sinister weapons we're talking about here, assuming you make it more contagious it'll spread into civil populations before anybody would think to quarantine. It is not uncommon for bad ulcers to result in death or amputation.
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2012 16:53:42 GMT
This thread is so full of potential civil unrest >.>
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Post by AgentFawkes on Apr 17, 2012 16:57:40 GMT
@mal, heh, I know what you mean. shark, thanks for the info, man, I'll definitely figure something out now.
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Post by shark on Apr 17, 2012 16:59:03 GMT
Yeah I think I'm creating a lot of unnecessary conflict by helping people field and develop weapons I won't tolerate
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2012 17:21:00 GMT
Yeah I think I'm creating a lot of unnecessary conflict by helping people field and develop weapons I won't tolerate
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Post by yondiame on Apr 17, 2012 23:05:59 GMT
Yeah I think I'm creating a lot of unnecessary conflict by helping people field and develop weapons I won't tolerate mal why did you qoute with out saying anything
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 17, 2012 23:55:05 GMT
Why are you modding the mods?
It's a '+1'
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2012 23:55:06 GMT
When someone quotes without saying anything it basically means "They took the words out of my mouth, I don't need to say anything because my words have just been spoken."
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Post by yondiame on Apr 18, 2012 2:22:57 GMT
oh srry I did not know
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 18, 2012 4:06:00 GMT
Not a problem
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Post by shark on Apr 18, 2012 4:08:37 GMT
Does anybody here know the proposed mechanism behind an antimatter bomb?
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Post by IcyNudibranch on Apr 18, 2012 4:14:33 GMT
Antimatter + Matter = Energy, and a ton of it. This energy generally comes in the form of heat and x-ray radiation. So, you basically disintegrate the point of impact, melt a large area around it, and then blast what's left of it with radiation.
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 18, 2012 4:15:54 GMT
Then the question is, is it realistic? Or is it generally a sci-fi thing?
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Post by IcyNudibranch on Apr 18, 2012 4:21:16 GMT
Depends on how hard of science fiction you want. We currently have just a few molecules of anti-hydrogen, and you'd need at least a couple kilograms for it to actually be effective as a warhead or other weapon. As with all things, if there is a demand for it, the technology will be developed. So, if the Federation or the Empire invests in particle accelerator technology intending to produce large amounts of antimatter and store it safely and efficiently, the technology will come around. We can already store antimatter, just not on a large scale, and we definitely have not figured out a way to form a weapon from it. However, that's probably more because no one really wants to.
If you want pure, hard science, not at least until the 2050s, most likely. That is with no prior investment by any country.
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Post by shark on Apr 18, 2012 4:21:18 GMT
anti-matter is definitely a real thing, but I think the logistics of creating and delivering it in bomb form escape our current level of technology. Interestingly, a single kilogram of antimatter reacting with a kilogram of matter causes an explosion comparable to the Tsar bomb.
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 18, 2012 4:35:54 GMT
I want pure, hard as diamond science. But if 2050 it becomes "militarily possible" I'm perfectly fine with this. That means by 2060 or so I can work on AM powerplants, which is what I'm actually interested in, not bombs xD
My idea is that I can combine the idea of the arc reactor in IM (Yes it's a viable tech, RL we just don't have the means to contain it, but we do have the theories.) They both lack strong enough, and controllable enough, magnetic "walls" for lack of the correct term, to keep the forces contained. But the energy from an AM blast, if harnessed could possibly power an EM powerful enough to contain an arc reactor during startup. The arc reactor would then be able to power its own EM after startup.
That idea would be preferable to an actual AM powerplant since hydrogen (what the AR uses as fuel) is FAR easier to find than AM.
I'm going to run the idea past a friend of mine that worked out the formula of how much energy an AR would produce compared to the amount of hydrogen being stored in it.
Thankfully, a lot of stuff in Iron Man is pretty hard science. The rest of Avengers? Not so much. xD He's like the exception to the rule.
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Post by asrodrig on Apr 18, 2012 4:38:47 GMT
Does a different type of powerplant have an effect on the game, though? Can we make mini AM powerplants to power our vehicles? And if we do, what then?
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Post by IcyNudibranch on Apr 18, 2012 4:41:34 GMT
I'd say, not really. Unless they explode more violently or something.
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 18, 2012 5:07:19 GMT
Powerplants would have an effect on the game. If your nation never invented internal combustion you'd be at a huge disadvantage. Nuclear reactors provide the ability to send very long term naval vessels out, AM or AR plants after being made small enough, would be able to do the same, and eventually power space flight.
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Post by IcyNudibranch on Apr 18, 2012 5:09:57 GMT
OK, that makes sense.
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