shark
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Post by shark on Apr 15, 2012 0:06:43 GMT
Hey guys, since it's kind of annoying to get threads in your foreign affairs or photos on flicker spammed with arguments, I figured we could do that here. This is a thread where we can propose alleged explanations for technology that exists in the GC universe but not the real universe. Before you post, some ground rules: 1. Keep it civil. This is a thread for those of us with the urge to explain things, not for those of us who want to fight. If you can't make an argument with out your temper flaring, please don't post. 2. Try to attach your arguments to real world science. 3. This isn't official and doesn't regulate what tech you can have in-game.
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sgtsammac
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Post by sgtsammac on Apr 15, 2012 0:09:46 GMT
Good idea.
First i want some help making Trojan feasible Tech: Trojan Class: Bio-Chemical WMD Location on Inspiration: "The Trojan Project" by Eileen Thornton Effects: Melts through and dissolves body flesh and innards of animals and humans leaving a puddle of infectious slime.
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Post by alice on Apr 15, 2012 0:17:59 GMT
I want to see If I could get better soldiers.
Tech: Genome enhancement. Class: Genetics, Biology, Science. Location on Inspiration: Metal Gear Solid, Gunslinger Girl. Effects: Tougher, and cheaper soldiers to produce.
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Post by sgtsammac on Apr 15, 2012 0:18:52 GMT
I'm afraid human genetics come later in the 21st century.
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 15, 2012 0:21:41 GMT
The Tungusium MS
Tech: Tungusium Missile
Location on Inspiration: Command and Conquer 1 Tiberian Dawn, 2 Tiberian Sun, 3 Tiberium Wars
Effects: Creates a 'Red Zone' around target area. An area in which all carbon based things cannot live. The entire area is covered in green Riparius and blue Vinafera crystals, growing in fields. Mutations are very common, where some humans are transformed into 'Visceroids', slime-like creatures with a vicious acid attack, a very few become 'Mutants' where Tungusium fuses with their skin and body and they live. These usually gather in cults in the Red Zone. Lastly, the vast majority of humans simply become Tungusium, starting with the part they touched (usually finger) or breathed in (lung) and become crystal within a day or two. Victims of this usually hemmorage to death short after touching or breathing in crystal.
Vehicles can freely transverse the area but humans must arrive in huge, thick, expensive metal suits with breathing equipment. This won't be available until 2015, exoskeletons.
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Post by IcyNudibranch on Apr 15, 2012 0:22:28 GMT
@sam ~ Only thing I can think of is bacteria, but even then that just causes sickness and death of a long period. I guess you could tailor some sort of virus, but even then the effect wouldn't be obvious. I'm a physicist, not a doctor, so maybe I'm not the best person suited to the job.
I guess if we're going to have a bit of science fiction, I'd like to have the Doctor Device from Ender's Game. Basically, it rips apart chemical bonds, reducing any material to elemental form. I'm going to add the possibility of it being carried in a missile as well, but removing planet-destroying capabilities. Eventually the reaction would just run out of energy, let's say.
Tech: Molecular Disruption Device (MD Device, or the Doctor Device) Class: Matter Destruction Inspiration: Ender's Game, by Orson Scott Card Transportation: Projectile, Missile Feasibility in Real Life: Possible, but you'd just need a huge amount of energy.
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 15, 2012 0:24:32 GMT
Love that idea, Icy. Just read it at my school (assignment)
I actually read the entire series.
(I suggest using this on space ships only though.)
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Post by shark on Apr 15, 2012 0:24:59 GMT
So Asrodrig and I actually had a discussion about this last night, and this is what we have so far: the Trojan would be a protist that forms 2 stage colonies. The first stage is an energy harvesting stage, and the microbes quickly digest as much flesh as they can, converting the flesh into useable ATP and storable carbs. after they have gorged on their prey, they would pool on the ground, forming the second stage of the colony. This stage uses the energy from before to breed more protists to start another colony, these would "infect" anybody who came into contact with them.
You've still got a few problems, in that this level of specialization would take years of good luck if done by selective breeding, and that genetic engineering is a few years away (1970's). Also, I feel like you want to spread this quickly, but this kind of process on a matter of hours is more plausible (although still extremely fast).
that's my $0.02, anyways.
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Post by sgtsammac on Apr 15, 2012 0:27:05 GMT
So Asrodrig and I actually had a discussion about this last night, and this is what we have so far: the Trojan would be a protist that forms 2 stage colonies. The first stage is an energy harvesting stage, and the microbes quickly digest as much flesh as they can, converting the flesh into useable ATP and storable carbs. after they have gorged on their prey, they would pool on the ground, forming the second stage of the colony. This stage uses the energy from before to breed more protists to start another colony, these would "infect" anybody who came into contact with them. You've still got a few problems, in that this level of specialization would take years of good luck if done by selective breeding, and that genetic engineering is a few years away (1970's). Also, I feel like you want to spread this quickly, but this kind of process on a matter of hours is more plausible (although still extremely fast). that's my $0.02, anyways. Well with Trojan i was only starting experiments, proper weaponisation would be late 80's and possible ready stage the 2000's and i see your idea about the two stage colony, i am actually going to be re-reading the book hopefully see if i can find anymore technical information.
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Post by shark on Apr 15, 2012 0:28:21 GMT
and alice, I think genetically engineering humans is pretty feasible for 2020, the main reason we don't see them running around now is political/moral issues.
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Post by IcyNudibranch on Apr 15, 2012 0:31:27 GMT
@prokhor Unlimited version is spaceships-only, but for now I'll develop a limited version that's safe for planetary use.
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Post by shark on Apr 15, 2012 0:35:58 GMT
Well with Trojan i was only starting experiments, proper weaponisation would be late 80's and possible ready stage the 2000's and i see your idea about the two stage colony, i am actually going to be re-reading the book hopefully see if i can find anymore technical information. Good to hear! The more you know etc. etc. Also Icy, you could possibly get around your energy problems with some form of catalyst... then again I'm more on the biochem side of things ha ha.
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Post by sgtsammac on Apr 15, 2012 0:39:07 GMT
Well with Trojan i was only starting experiments, proper weaponisation would be late 80's and possible ready stage the 2000's and i see your idea about the two stage colony, i am actually going to be re-reading the book hopefully see if i can find anymore technical information. Good to hear! The more you know etc. etc. Also Icy, you could possibly get around your energy problems with some form of catalyst... then again I'm more on the biochem side of things ha ha. I currently study triple science which nets me 3 GCSE's (Basic qualifications) in Physics, Chem and Biology.
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Post by IcyNudibranch on Apr 15, 2012 0:50:20 GMT
shark I understand where you're coming from, but a catalyst probably wouldn't work because there are so many compounds involved. Catalysts, as far as I know, only work on a few different reactions. Basically, the Doctor only breaks compounds through the brute force of pure energy. As of 1950-2000, the Federation hasn't figured out how to harness any energy that is produced by breaking the compounds, thus preventing the chain reaction.
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Post by shark on Apr 15, 2012 0:53:28 GMT
And about the Tungisium, I don't think you can get around the energy input; despite what C&C says. An energy favourable reaction (something that happens spontaneously, such as tungisium turning other things into it) is going from a high energy structure (like our bodies) to a lower energy structure. If your crystals are lower energy than human bodies, you can't really use them as a good fuel. You could work around this by making the reaction require a lot of energy.
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 15, 2012 0:58:05 GMT
I have no idea what to respond with.
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Post by sgtsammac on Apr 15, 2012 12:44:24 GMT
Allright i got an update for Trojan, from what i've read times can vary.. one man lasted over night so several hours (up to 8 possibly) but i guess it depends on the size and such.
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Post by alice on Apr 15, 2012 13:00:18 GMT
@sam, and Shark.
I was thinking about putting my Supersoldier Genome Idea into full scale production, around 2054, and also due to the logic of "Chicken before the Egg" Most of the super soldiers will probably be female.
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 15, 2012 13:09:39 GMT
Yeah, I remember you telling me you want a genetically enhanced woman army.
The logic doesn't really make sense to me.
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Post by alice on Apr 15, 2012 13:24:51 GMT
@prok
Did the Man or Woman come first.?
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 15, 2012 13:31:33 GMT
My question is, how is that relevant to the gender of the super-soldier?
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Post by alice on Apr 15, 2012 13:38:11 GMT
Do you know how Genes work.?
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 15, 2012 13:42:44 GMT
Yes I do; how is the chicken and egg relevant? I'm guessing you artificially design an embryo with supersoldier abilities, and it doesn't matter what gender they come out.
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Post by alice on Apr 15, 2012 13:55:32 GMT
Prok, The population of females is greater then males, Also the Woman came first. (You should use that damned noggin of yours) And Females may have a smaller frame then a male, But its is much ore tactically sound to have a short person as a combatant, And, with the correct Genetic therapy, Bio-Cybernetic enhancement, and Proper training, you can have a mass produced killing machine. that is 5,1 and can kick ass.
Edit: Also a female can potentially distract a soldier.
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 15, 2012 14:05:38 GMT
Actually, evolution caused the change to be gradual. There was no sudden shift from one species to human.
If we look at it as sudden, then the woman would NOT come first, but rather the baby of the new species. And it is unknown if that baby is male or female.
Females make 51%, males 49%. Not much of a difference.
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Post by shark on Apr 15, 2012 14:23:10 GMT
first off, saying the first human was female isn't a meaningful statement because speciation works too gradually to pinpoint which animal is species X and which animal is species Y. And on the distraction point, a genetically augmented super lady would be so piss ass ugly (huge muscles, broad shoulders, sturdy bone structure, strategic fat placement, etc.) that they wouldn't be rocking the femme fatal look at all. If I was to do a legion of supersoldiers, I'd probably make them sterile males. That way you only have the one X chromosome to play with (Y chromosomes are pretty light on information) to reduce your margin of error. I'd want them to be sterile so you wouldn't get their weird genes floating around in your population, there could be health problems associated with cross-breeding depending on how much you fiddled with the genomes.
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Post by alice on Apr 15, 2012 14:27:05 GMT
@prokhor
Also I'm fairly certain that most people wouldn't shoot some one who looks young. (The Super Soldiers train from age 6 to age 14, then they get Augmented, then at age 16 there are more augmentations, and at age 18 they are ready for service, but retain a young look. until 50 years of age.)
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 15, 2012 14:27:45 GMT
+1, Shark.
There you go.
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Post by shark on Apr 15, 2012 14:30:01 GMT
also alice, If i'm forking over the cash for genetic therapy; you can bet I'm giving these fuckers the psychotherapy needed to not have a problem blasting kids.
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Post by alice on Apr 15, 2012 14:30:02 GMT
shark, Most of the Supersoldier ness will be with Bio Augs (Nano machines and such) But we select curtain genes to get rid of most impurities, but leave a few because of variations in DNA and such. The most common problem will probably be mental disorders, and such. Edit: Only about 20% of the 'Recruits' will make it, All others may be institutionalized, or disposed of.
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