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Post by alice on Apr 17, 2012 0:46:04 GMT
Now I have a Big stick to swing too. XD
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 17, 2012 0:46:58 GMT
Targetting me will kill Polish and Canadians as well. And even Americans (Canadians)
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Post by alice on Apr 17, 2012 0:48:33 GMT
Oh don't worry, I have an Antidote for My allies, and a few more tricks up my sleeves
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 17, 2012 0:51:35 GMT
Oh, the innocent Polish.
You realize that if you do attack me with this (which is against the rules anyway, unless I attack you) I'll just do it back?
And I will survive while you won't.
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2012 0:55:01 GMT
xD I don't know why, but "And even Americans (Canadians)" makes me laugh so much! Aaaah, oh Canada xD But yes, Prok has a point. As a doomsday like weapon, it is to be used in self defense only. Not as an assault. Unfortunately since this is a game, the real effects of WMDs don't apply to the players, so they won't hesitate to use them. Whereas in real life, there are long lasting and catastrophic results to using them that very few leaders are willing to risk. Those results will be felt somehow... I just have to figure out how. And they will effect everyone, globally, no escape, regardless of the weapon. Now I have a Big stick to swing too. XD Ok North Korea
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 17, 2012 1:02:00 GMT
Trade... first thing to be impacted...
And it's not like you're going to give the meds to every SINGLE person on the planet other than the Russkies.
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Post by alice on Apr 17, 2012 1:02:18 GMT
Oh, you Malachi ;D
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2012 1:06:30 GMT
Yea, trade is going to end up being shut down on a global scale if an uncontrollable plague breaks out somewhere, which will lower incomes for everyone. Even after an antidote is found or given out, the civilian populations would be scared as hell and the global economy would be fairly frozen. Especially if it was discovered it was an intentional plague, civilian businesses and such would avoid the distributor at all costs, further lowering income for that nation. It'll be like the holocaust, only more science-y
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Post by shark on Apr 17, 2012 4:06:05 GMT
Hmmm, consequences, eh?
The TREX alliance is currently ratifying legislation that will demand military action against globally destructive threats. Stay posted for more pre-emptive doctrinal action.
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Post by alice on Apr 17, 2012 4:44:07 GMT
I have a "Safer" And less World Ending WMD.
Ricin bombs Smaller area of effect, but Very, Very Deadly.
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Post by AgentFawkes on Apr 17, 2012 5:06:01 GMT
Thanks for taking my advice on a weapon that wouldn't kill EVERYONE, Alice
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Post by sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2012 14:32:34 GMT
Alright i have read more into the book and i have discovered:
-Flesh is melted and a glow remains during the melting as well -Brains melt a small while later -Eye balls remain whole -skeletons remain whole -Materials melt and take on a burned ragged appearance if caught in the blast (The bright green cloud/ball/mist gives off intense heat) -Prior to detonation a very loud whirring sound similar to a power saw is heard. -Plant life is heavily scorched and damaged -Trees are scorched and their leaves are obliterated.,
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2012 15:35:55 GMT
I... I don't understand how flesh and brains melt and eyeballs don't o.0
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Post by shark on Apr 17, 2012 15:47:36 GMT
Hmmm... biology senses tingling. Brains, Eyeballs, and the "softer" organs should be metabolized quickly. Skin and other membranes are actually more resilient to these sorts of things. If there is a scorching blast, you really only have 2 options for the microbes. Option 1: The microbe is a specialized thermophile archea, which won't spread well in colder environments and probably won't even survive, depending on membrane structure. Option 2: The microbes are bacteria that are dropped in an endospore stage, a highly resilient structure that some bacteria can form to lay dormant for long periods of time in extreme environments. If you go this route, you'll want to extend the time it takes for the weapon to take effect with at least a couple of hours as a germination buffer.
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Post by sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2012 15:53:28 GMT
Hmmm... biology senses tingling. Brains, Eyeballs, and the "softer" organs should be metabolized quickly. Skin and other membranes are actually more resilient to these sorts of things. If there is a scorching blast, you really only have 2 options for the microbes. Option 1: The microbe is a specialized thermophile archea, which won't spread well in colder environments and probably won't even survive, depending on membrane structure. Option 2: The microbes are bacteria that are dropped in an endospore stage, a highly resilient structure that some bacteria can form to lay dormant for long periods of time in extreme environments. If you go this route, you'll want to extend the time it takes for the weapon to take effect with at least a couple of hours as a germination buffer. Like i said this is just from the book and thats why i am posting here so i can make it feasible. Shark there is somesort of break period afaik because the detonation in the book happened maybe around 6pm and the last guy died around 7-9am ish... but other than that i am not sure.. also regarding the damage i can edit some of it.. e.g all soft parts and internals are destroyed too?
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 17, 2012 15:55:18 GMT
Is there a name for this flesh eating being in the book? Is it 'Trojan'?
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2012 15:58:11 GMT
The detonation caused the scorches didn't it? Not the bacteria itself? Or were those options so that it would survive the detonation? (Knows very little about this stuff)
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Post by shark on Apr 17, 2012 16:00:44 GMT
the problem is the detonation. If the microbes themselves are causing the heat then you have MASSIVE energy problems, so I was talking about what lineages of microbes would be able to survive the initial blast.
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 17, 2012 16:00:54 GMT
Is it possible to load VX into artillery and lob it at the enemy troops? I've read that's what the US experimented.
Q2 (EDIT): I may of course use it as an area denial weapon right? That's what it can be used for. It's generally a WMD, but it can be used for area denial (putting a load of it on the shore) - and it's non-degradable, meaning it will last forever.
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Post by shark on Apr 17, 2012 16:02:56 GMT
I don't see why not, although you'd have to have big, compressed shells. Be careful that the battlemod doesn't decide to throw a bit of collateral damage your way if your artillery gets hit while loaded with such dangerous shells. EDIT: The non-degrading and excessively horrible effects of VX will probably at least put you on our watch list Also on the endospore topic (probably your best bet IMO), anything I've ever played with had at least a 12 hour germination period. That being said, I am not sure what kind of germination period other species need, and certainly you could shorten it to a couple of hours with some genetic manipulation. The other advantage to endospores is you can store them in a dry form for a very long time. Properly stored endospores can be dormant for over 25 million years and still be viable. I could even imagine a scenario were you dusted a region with the dormant Trojans from a high altitude, dramatically increasing the area of effect. (dormant killers also make the Trojan name appropriate )
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Post by sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2012 16:06:10 GMT
Is there a name for this flesh eating being in the book? Is it 'Trojan'? No name as far as i know/ am aware, but the book name is "The Trojan Project"
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Post by shark on Apr 17, 2012 16:14:23 GMT
If we want to give it a latin name and sound all scientific, I propose Clostridium Trojan. The genus Clostridium is already being played around with by humans, and some species produce harmful toxins already.
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 17, 2012 16:16:19 GMT
You guys force me to do so much research on chemical warfare XD
So Shark, how do you think VX can be employed (WMD wise)?
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2012 16:17:26 GMT
Artillery shells loaded with a liquid... I feel like this would be much better as a dropped bomb of some kind >.> I'm not 100% hollowed out shells filled with liquid would be able to withstand the initial shock of being fired. Not unless it was a very small hollow area, which wouldn't hold much and would be mostly pointless to fire. I mean, sure artillery rounds have explosives in them, but those expand on their own to cover large areas. This would just hit the dirt and you'd have a puddle in a hole dug by a shell. Unless a huge amount of it was stored inside, dramatically reducing it's ability to be fired. Or unless it were added to an explosive warhead that could disperse it upon landing, but I don't know how well that would work out either.
Or I'm really over thinking this.
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Post by sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2012 16:17:49 GMT
If we want to give it a latin name and sound all scientific, I propose Clostridium Trojan. The genus Clostridium is already being played around with by humans, and some species produce harmful toxins already. Alright sounds like a plan, i will work it into the second testing i am planning/writing.
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 17, 2012 16:23:39 GMT
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2012 16:25:56 GMT
Oh wow, and landmines work too? Nice.
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 17, 2012 16:27:00 GMT
Yeah VX is considered an area denial system.
It doesn't deteriorate either, a great aspect as well as a terrible one.
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Post by AgentFawkes on Apr 17, 2012 16:27:04 GMT
Alright, so I'm thinking of using that bacteria Shark mentioned, which if I'm readig right, causes major ulcers, but I need a name... Any suggestions? (Not stealing FOXDIE from Metal Gear )
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 17, 2012 16:27:35 GMT
LOL ULCERS! XD
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