skull132
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Shah of the Israeli Hierarchy
Shah Ananiah Levi
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Post by skull132 on May 4, 2012 17:14:09 GMT
Just a minor gripe: the fact that one can bid on ANY nation in the world without needing a direct link to it makes the system stupid.
Why?
1st off, the bidding country, with the current system, does not need to have ANY influence over the country he's bidding on. With the previous system, it was semi-believable that you could influence a neighboring country to join yours with huge wads of money, because it was right next to your country. But now, you can bid on a nation that you have NO influence over. Why would they ever join you?
2nd, it allows one country to pull some VERY nasty tricks against other nations which were rarely possible with the old system. For example: someone could buy Palestine which is a tiny bit of land right in the MIDDLE of the Israeli Hierarchy. How on Earth would you keep that area loyal to you? And it would tick me off too. And it allows for cheap closings of bottlenecks and cheap grabs of REALLY strategic locations.
Ponder on it, and tell me what you think.
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sgtsammac
Ruler of the United Kingdom
Death to the kingdoms enemies.
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Post by sgtsammac on May 4, 2012 17:16:44 GMT
Just a minor gripe: the fact that one can bid on ANY nation in the world without needing a direct link to it makes the system stupid. Why? 1st off, the bidding country, with the current system, does not need to have ANY influence over the country he's bidding on. With the previous system, it was semi-believable that you could influence a neighboring country to join yours with huge wads of money, because it was right next to your country. But now, you can bid on a nation that you have NO influence over. Why would they ever join you? 2nd, it allows one country to pull some VERY nasty tricks against other nations which were rarely possible with the old system. For example: someone could buy Palestine which is a tiny bit of land right in the MIDDLE of the Israeli Hierarchy. How on Earth would you keep that area loyal to you? And it would tick me off too. And it allows for cheap closings of bottlenecks and cheap grabs of REALLY strategic locations. Ponder on it, and tell me what you think. As has been explained MANY TIMES and to be honest i am sick of explaining. The entire map was opened up to everyone to make it a bit more interesting and due to the fact that with modern communications and technology it is feasible that you can attack anywhere in the world you just need the transport.
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Post by ProkAdama on May 4, 2012 17:18:58 GMT
Sam has already experienced this.
I bid from across the world towards Spain, causing him to lose 20k.
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Post by ProkAdama on May 4, 2012 17:20:49 GMT
Also, I was quite sure it had nothing to do with attacking, but rather bribing.
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skull132
Not a Noob
Shah of the Israeli Hierarchy
Shah Ananiah Levi
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Post by skull132 on May 4, 2012 17:29:28 GMT
As has been explained MANY TIMES and to be honest i am sick of explaining. The entire map was opened up to everyone to make it a bit more interesting and due to the fact that with modern communications and technology it is feasible that you can attack anywhere in the world you just need the transport. You can attack anywhere, but attacking a country you can only access by plane is difficult. Also, the thing is that trying to explain it away with modern communication tech is stoopid, because a country will only have good influence over it's neighbors, and not some random nation on the other side of the planet :/ . But what do others think, that's what I want to know.
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shark
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Post by shark on May 4, 2012 17:30:55 GMT
yeah because Israel has such good influence over it's neighbours IRL
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sgtsammac
Ruler of the United Kingdom
Death to the kingdoms enemies.
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Post by sgtsammac on May 4, 2012 17:32:21 GMT
Look.. until malachi comes up with anything or a change to make you lot happy which seems very bloody difficult sometimes, the whole world is open to EVERYONE
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skull132
Not a Noob
Shah of the Israeli Hierarchy
Shah Ananiah Levi
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Post by skull132 on May 4, 2012 17:33:49 GMT
yeah because Israel has such good influence over it's neighbours IRL That was an example, also, off topic much... At least post your opinion <.< Also, Sam, it wasn't a call up against you, it was a call up against the current system in place and suggestions on changing it. No need to start flashing your colours.
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AgentFawkes
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Post by AgentFawkes on May 4, 2012 23:47:41 GMT
Skull, flashing his mod colors just means he wants people to listen. He's not mad at you either
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Post by asrodrig on May 5, 2012 0:02:08 GMT
I'm actually all for this system, as it encourages people to actually have auctions on countries. Previously, all a guy had to do was claim the countries on the outskirts of a continent, and then the whole thing was his for the taking, since other people couldn't bid on territories that they couldn't get to. Now, people can bid inside that ring, so if he wants the whole continent, he'd better be ready to outbid other people for it.
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Post by number4 on May 5, 2012 0:34:33 GMT
^This.
Also think about geography as well, if one can only bid on nations they border, what about people whose nations are landlocked? Are we to just forget them? Hell, if it wasn't for Mexico, I'D be landlocked. There's only two countries inside my "sphere of influence" from Alaska. In any case, you have to take into consideration the reset, in an RP sense, sort of acted like a great depression, the neutral nations are in a bit of a tough spot economically. You give a damaged nation prosperity and protection, no matter how far away from you or how much they hate you, they'll join your cause.
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Post by IcyNudibranch on May 5, 2012 0:56:04 GMT
I'm on Skull's side on this. I'm really annoyed that people can just say "derp I want this country, even if it's halfway around the world." It only makes battles less favorable. I just want to go back to the old system: if you want to take a territory, you have to have a border with it.
Or, if anything, we could compromise. You can take any territory around the world, but, if you do, then you lose that territory in X days/weeks due to lack of support from the local government and it is easier for another nation to invade.
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Post by ProkAdama on May 5, 2012 1:22:37 GMT
I'm midway, I think the Palkiens should be able to establish a foothold on a mainland at least.
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Post by number4 on May 5, 2012 2:19:26 GMT
Prok, as it stands in this current moment, I have access to other countries because of Mexico, so I'm not in limbo when it comes to nearby nations anymore. I'm thinking of other nations such as LOTS, or hell, Cocoon.
I agree that the system needs to be changed just a touch, but instead of blatantly restricting people, maybe just discourage across-the-world auctions. A few ideas below.
First idea. An income scale based on distance from the Capital, for example: If I were to win a country in Africa and a country in Asia, the Asian one would net me a bigger income regardless of economy. Another idea: Find a way to encourage battles over auctions. As it stands, fighting for a territory requires you to spend money on the initial troops, spend some time thinking of tactics (something only I seem to enjoy >_>), and then also spend money on replacing your initial troops, whereas auctions you just have to post a number. Idea number three is to up the minimum bid. It'll piss most of you off I'm sure, but right now you can either buy a single bomber or an entire country for the same price. Seems legit. My personal favourite idea: See my Spheres of Influence post.
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Post by ProkAdama on May 5, 2012 2:23:31 GMT
I like the SOI idea the most too.
And no, that won't bother me... I rather enjoy those battles that simply go unmodded. /jk
(OffT: Can I go back to IRC already)
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Post by number4 on May 5, 2012 2:24:29 GMT
(You can try, if you do get in I won't kick you.)
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Post by ProkAdama on May 5, 2012 2:30:23 GMT
(* it, I'm banned lol.)
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Post by IcyNudibranch on May 5, 2012 2:32:31 GMT
Spheres of influence sounds good. I thought of that as well. Even something as simple as you can only bid/control countries on the same continent. Though we'd then need to figure out what would happen once you control all the countries on a continent. Maybe through sea borders; ex. if I control the Mediterranean, I can also bid on countries in North Africa. Though I wouldn't do that anyways, because I don't want territories in North Africa.
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Post by number4 on May 5, 2012 2:50:23 GMT
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Post by IcyNudibranch on May 5, 2012 2:53:09 GMT
That's absolutely perfect.
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