Operation Bamboo: Invasion Beijing. TAKE TWO

[Sgtsammac]

Alright, let's try this again guys I believe this was the opener last time so take it from here.

Apr 4, 2012 22:41:00 GMT alice said:

The Nippon Air force will bomb Beijing. with 5 Type 54 ''Hanmā'' Heavy Stratigic Bombers (5000)

N-S.O.G Special forces will parachute from 5 Type 54 ''Hanmā'' Heavy Stratigic Bombers modified for parachuting (5000)

x100 N-S.O.G Assault troops are armed with:
x50 Type 50 "Hiro" Assault Rifles (1250)
x50 Type 44 ''Yuji'' Sub Machine Guns (1250)

x15 N-S.O.G Marksmen troops armed with:
x15 Type 50 Assault Rifle .308 D.M.R Ver. (1500)

x90 N-S.O.G Close Quarters Troops armed with:
x50 Type 44 ''Yuji'' Sub Machine Guns (1250)
x40 Type 45 Kazami Combat Shotguns (2000)

x2 Type 43 Armored Car (200)

x8 Type 52 ''Tengu'' Fighter Jet (6400) Supporting the bigger planes.

Final cost 23,850

vs

Apr 8, 2012 12:22:11 GMT ProkAdama said:

500 infantrymen
200 marksmen

4x Moskva Medium Tank
2x Pyeterburj IFV
10x Zamalchi AA Tank

20x TuMiGil-19 FSW Fighter Jet
20x TuMiGil-21 Delta Winged Interceptor
2x SA-23T Ground Attack Jets

Respond to the attack.

[alice]

The bombers carpet bomb the city in waves, then the N-S.O.G troops will drop in fanning out into the city and use guerrilla warfare tactics (I.e Setting basic traps, Using Decoys ECT.)
The armored cars will do drive by style attacks.
The Fighter jets will protect the bombers at all cost.

[ProkAdama]

10 AA tanks - painted in gray urban camo, dispersed across the city area hiding in small streets. When a plane gets close enough it will be torn apart. AP rounds are available in case enemy armor gets anywhere near.

500 Infantrymen - Move in squads of ten, which is again is split into two groups of 5. They move a small distance from each other, making usre they keep each other in sight. When encountering an enemy, both squads will engage, and the enemy confused because fire is coming from both direction. Max 5 infantrymen to a building.

200 Snipers - Move in groups of two, quietly. Their rifles are not suppressed, but their pistols are. When in close range with an enemy they will eliminate them from different sides with the pistols, if too many enemies to a squad they use a nade and then GTFO. They will mostly sit in a building and take out enemies from a distance. Max 2 snipers to a building.

4 Moskva MBTs - Will use forward MG to engage enemy infantry in front, coaxial MG to engage infantry as well. Main gun used to destroy enemy armor. Twin AA MG guns used in dire situations and if enemy jets are close enough tot he ground. Move with at least 3 squads of ten infantry and with guidance of at least one sniper team of two.

2 Pyeterburj APCs - Use 25mm main gun to engage enemy troops, forward MG to engage enemy troops in front and guided missile for enemy armor. Move with at least 3 squads of ten infantry and with guidance of at least one sniper team of two.

20 TuMiGil-21 Interceptors - Race to the bombers at full speed to eliminate them before reaching battlefield. After bomber threat is eliminated they will eliminate enemy jets.

20 TuMiGil-19 FSW Fighter jets - (16) Move in squads of two; when engaging enemy they will split and use superior maneuverability to get underneath and above enemy jets and target a single one. When done they split again and target another jet. (4) Read next section.

2 SA-23T Attack Aircraft (Sorta like A-10) - Each is supported by two TuMiGil-19 FSW Fighters. They will circle the battlefield and attack major enemy concentrations/locations/vehicles (clumps of infantry, armour)

[alice]

The N-S.O.G troops on the ground hide in buildings, some of them run to liquor stores to get high proof alcohol to make Petro bombs to throw at your tanks. The armored cars will try Hit and run attacks on infantry. Marksmen go to vantage points and are told to shoot any UT soldiers on sight, the marksmen are also ordered to move to a different location after every shot.

The planes in the Air go to a higher altitude.

[AgentFawkes]

EDIT: Due to some complications in foreign relation, the FH02 unit has been withdrawn from the fight, and the CDU apoligizes to both sides for wasting their time.

[Sgtsammac]

I'm sorry but I have to say, I see no possible way for Nippon to win this fight, It all falls on the ability for the bombers to actually live long enough to bomb, then drop all the troops. (I'm not entirely sure bombers CAN carry troops and chute them, but I'll ignore that for the moment) The bombers are protected by 8 fighters. Prokhor has effectively 36 fighters that are going to be fighting those. Unless I'm REALLY simplifying air combat here, those 8 stand 0 chance, and thus the bombers stand 0 chance.

But even if Nippon troops make it to the ground, they're outnumbered 5 to 1 in enemy territory. Gurilla warfare is great, when you actually know the land, it's generally a defensive move, not an offensive. And a pair of armored cars is laughable compared to 4 MBTs, a pair of APCs (basically the same thing) and 10 AA tanks that can (if desired) fire the same basic rounds as the armored car. An armored car is basically a humvee. And don't forget, those AA tanks are perfectly capable of killing chuting troops as they fall. So can the jets. That's why you always send far more paratroops than you think you'll need, you WILL lose some in the drop.

Alice, if you want to even stand a chance, you're going to have to make very specific posts, very very specific posts, and hope to all that you hold dear that Prokhor posts a single sentence in reply.

I feel like an ass for this, but it's true.

[sgtsammac]

With Alice's permissions the UDKA is sending some Air support and special forces into the battle. We deploy:

1x Prometheus Class carrier (Full combat load, plus 5 extra AV-54's of each load out)
3x Daring Class Patrol Vessels + Sea knight Helicopters

Special Air Service Attack Team:
20x L35A1 Riflemen,
10x L44A1 Sub-machine gunners,
5x L87A1 Snipers + 5 more L44A1 Sub-machine gunners acting as spotters,

[ProkAdama]

(This is quite late for reinforcements, don't you think? By this time the battle would be winding down to an end, as Alice isn't posting anything.)



Also, since I didn't bring any ships... I won't have any sea power. I only responded to the original attack, not the new one.

[sgtsammac]

I only brought the vessels for something to launch aircraft from, and the battle will keep going to both sides have posted their battles prokhor.. or Timed out as decided by the battlemod.

[asrodrig]

With the UT's permission, the African Peoples' Alliance will send naval aide.
10 Bichir Class Nuclear Submarines and 50 Goby Class Patrol Vessels are en route. Should the UT request it, 50 Stormpetrel Light Helicopters and 300 African Soldiers will be sent as well.

[ProkAdama]

The UT is very glad to see an ally in this fight. Thank you.

[sgtsammac]

You bas.....


After the Daring class's sonar pick up the African Naval Units.. immediate Naval Back-up is deployed.

2x Perth Class Destroyers,
5x Type 16 Destroyers,
6x Headhunter class Submarines,


Upon arrival the Prometheus class carriers take up General Quarters and Alert 5 units are prepped and all 20 Air-Ground loaded Fighters are ready for take off. Meanwhile the surface vessels ready their weaponry and ASW Depthcharges. the submarines take up general quarters and form a defence around the floatilla.

[ProkAdama]

Hey, you already brought your first backup. If you can bring a second one, so can I.

5x 1960M Sovetskiy Soyuz Battleships
5x Alexandra-TuMiGil Carriers
10x Akula Subs
10x Destroyers

[sgtsammac]

Apr 10, 2012 23:05:29 GMT ProkAdama said:

Hey, you already brought your first backup. If you can bring a second one, so can I.

5x 1960M Sovetskiy Soyuz Battleships
5x Alexandra-TuMiGil Carriers
10x Akula Subs
10x Destroyers

Yes but if you read my post.. i only brought one back up.. the first post was the INITIAL INVASION FORCE. But whatever.. i only brought more because i was planning just to use the Prometheus as a floating air field to help Alice.. i didn't have any strong Maritime defence units other that 3 (repeat 3) patrol boats with one 115mm cannon and depth charges.

[ProkAdama]

No rules about size of reinforcement force ^_^

You need to make new rules about reinforcements, such as;

If an enemy joins in to the fight you are allowed to bring in reinforcements as well, but only limited to the same amount as the enemy

No reinforcements during battle unless someone joins in

[alice]

N-S.O.G Troops will land on top of the various buildings in the city making there way down to street level, the Armored cars are parachuted to squares with in the city. Some N-S.O.G Troops will go to liquor stores and gas stations so they can make improvised incendiary devices. Other N-S.O.G Troops hunker down in buildings. setting up a chain of operation centers working as one unit. The few other adventurous N-S.O.G Troops will attempt to hot wire Civilian vehicles. to use them as Improvised transport. Marksmen will stay in the buildings and cover any Friendly troops in the street.

[ProkAdama]

This is pretty much a terrorist mission, and I'm not sure if this can take over China.

The UT will use previous tactics.

[sgtsammac]

Ehh screw it.. this isn't going to be a battle worth fighting, the UDKA Gifts 2 Type 16's the the Nippon before taking the Crews aboard the Carrier and returning to Australia.

[Sgtsammac]

Hmm, I wonder what gun laws are like in Prokhor's China o.0 If civilians are going to be firing on Nippon soldiers trying to rob their stores and steal their cars. That sure would be strange lol.

But anyway, I'm still sorry, but even if the UDKA forces had stayed for the battle, they still didn't make enough to be a full invasion force. I have to agree with Prokhor that you can't take a country by terrorism. It'll be a long and drawn out battle because the Nippon's group is fairly small and keep hidden, but eventually they'll die to the last man, whereas Prokhor's infantry will take a 5% loss, protected behind the fact that they have way more armor and the ability to fire on the Nippon soldiers from the sky. I see no reason Prokhor's armor should take any losses, I don't foresee a whiskey bomb killing an armored vehicle. At least not unless someone left the window rolled down during the fighting.

[alice]

@malachi In world war 2 The Finns used Improvised Incendiaries and threw them at the cooling vents of tanks, rendering the tank disabled temporarily, then they could drop an explosive in the tank and kill the crew.

[shark]

in the winter war, the Finn's brew consisted of gasoline, kerosene, tar, and potassium chlorate; not ethanol.
I think a much bigger problem is the populace... you're trying to hide in a city that is unfamiliar to you with hostile locals. Add to that the fact that these locals are from a country renowned for fighting brutally to the last man, woman, and child, and I'm thinking such a small invasion force couldn't possibly persevere even against the civilians you are trying to rob.

[Sgtsammac]

While I didn't know that Alice, and thank you for that, I do have to agree with Shark.