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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 9, 2012 20:25:58 GMT
Number4, I am kinda suspicious of your latest jet. The Chengdu J-10:  The Toucan:  And the J-10 didn't fly till 1998. Yet the Toucan is 1960. Any comments? |
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 9, 2012 20:27:57 GMT
This is only an opinion. I may be completely wrong, just prove me wrong with a pic of another similar plane from 1960. Okay?
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Post by sgtsammac on Apr 9, 2012 20:33:19 GMT
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 9, 2012 20:37:58 GMT
 Good point. The clear inspiration is from the Chengdu but the design is so similar on the Dagger, the design could exist in the 60s. Any complaints about hitech will be put here (with mod permission) |
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Post by sgtsammac on Apr 9, 2012 20:39:05 GMT
Go for it.
Thanks for the understanding.
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Post by number4 on Apr 9, 2012 21:59:06 GMT
Um... You're suspicious because of coincidental appearance similarities? -_- Also for the record, I drew inspiration from the Typhoon and the Rafale.  |
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 9, 2012 22:08:05 GMT
Typhoon first flight: 1994 Rafale first flight: 1986 I think you're using modern day inspirations. Try using 1960s/1970s inspirations, okay? Really if we follow these kinds of rules I should be able to use my Oryol gunship and transport by now If I never said it was based on the Candid it would have been mine by now. Your planes should be released based on their first flights Sam once told me. You are def not following that bro  |
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Post by number4 on Apr 9, 2012 22:27:33 GMT
Again, you have to realize that I'm not making slight mods of things like you guys are, I'm just using a general idea. What, am I not allowed to make a shape based on something I like?
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Post by AgentFawkes on Apr 9, 2012 22:29:12 GMT
Prokhor, using new inspirations does not mean the tech isn't possible.
4, please don't try to instigate a fight.
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 9, 2012 22:31:18 GMT
Yeah you're allowed dude, but you're designing 4th gens. I design stuff I like but I leave it off for future use. You see, your modern stuff... the mods will count the advantages in battles even if it is too futuristic. I mean, I don't think any plane in the 50s can pull off a Frolov Chakra either.
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 9, 2012 22:33:24 GMT
No, I'm not going to fight, I'm not going to bicker and call anyone a moron, because no one is a moron. But a (calm) argument can pull out the truth, as some Greek philosopher said. (I don't remember who lol)
But I think I do present a good point. Not everything you make now should be used now too.
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Post by AgentFawkes on Apr 9, 2012 22:38:01 GMT
I'll talk with the mods, see what's the final verdict, until then, leave it up to us.
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Post by number4 on Apr 9, 2012 22:48:14 GMT
Not everything I make now is being used now. Please, stop jumping down my throat on absolutely everything I make, or I will finish Skyfire in the 90s. Because all the tech that is required to make it is out in the 90s.
Regardless: You're telling me to bump a much more realistic aircraft than the Hawk to the 90s because the jets that I was inspired by shape-wise came out in the 90s. Did you even read the description on the Toucan? It's not even all that great, it just has a respectable radar range. Its top speed is mach 1. That's EASY in the 60s. When are you going to stop attacking everything I make simply because it looks different?
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 9, 2012 22:59:48 GMT
Martyr told you to stop instigating a fight.
"When are you going to stop attacking everything I make simply because it looks different?"
Would most likely instigate a fight with anyone else.
Did you read about the Frolov Chakra? Yeah, what jets can do that? My TuMiGil-27 can do one but it's only released 1980. If I make a Eurofighter now and say it's Mach-1 a shitstorm will come a-brewin' anyway.
Anyway it's up to the mods now.
PS I'm fine with you releasing the Skyfire in 90s actually, what makes you think I care when you release it. If you do release it early though I'm releasing Berkut the same time.
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 9, 2012 23:04:32 GMT
...Wait you're threatening me with an early release date
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Post by number4 on Apr 9, 2012 23:33:35 GMT
This argument is pointless.
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 9, 2012 23:38:22 GMT
It isn't exactly pointless, no plane in the 50s could do a Frolov Chakra.
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Post by shark on Apr 9, 2012 23:39:13 GMT
I think that as long as 4's jets have realistic performance for the era, how they look shouldn't be terribly important. That being said, I think a big part of the fun in this game is trying to design things that look like they would "fit."
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Post by number4 on Apr 9, 2012 23:42:01 GMT
This isn't about that, Prok, this is about you thinking I should delay everything simply because you think it doesn't look good.
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 9, 2012 23:42:24 GMT
Yes, I get the point. The Toucan thing can go IMO but the Hawk's Frolov Chakra is OP, that design of plane wasn't used until the 80s/90s either... see my point shark? EDIT: Check this out. Only 4th gen/5th gen planes can do it... and look at the years these planes first flights were. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulbit |
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Post by number4 on Apr 9, 2012 23:47:47 GMT
Okay, ffs, the Hawk can't do a frolov. I get the effing point.
I never even said it could, I just said a tactic similar to it. But as we all know, similar = the exact same, as hinted by the original post...
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Post by number4 on Apr 10, 2012 5:44:06 GMT
also Dassault Mirage III to the rescue!  First flight: 1956. Aww yeah B) Considering that the Mirage was one of my inspirations (I thought the Rafale was the older one so I put it instead :S) so the Toucan is TOTALLY plausible. IN YO FAEC |
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 10, 2012 10:30:02 GMT
Dude, what the fuck. I got the Toucan overwith with my third post and your still on about it?
My point about the Frolov still stands bro.
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Post by sgtsammac on Apr 10, 2012 10:38:21 GMT
Guys, I am going to say one thing, can you guys calm this down and move on now please, it has been sorted out and is just going in circles now.
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Post by ProkAdama on Apr 10, 2012 10:50:48 GMT
It is, this is my last post.
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Post by Sgtsammac on Apr 10, 2012 18:13:42 GMT
As I've stated a thread ago, Air Tech is being discussed.
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First flight: 1956. Aww yeah B)